And so it begins!

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Hi All!

We started demolition on our school bus this week!
It has been fun and challenging so far. We started taking seats out on
Sunday afternoon. If you look at any of the school bus conversion sites,
they'll tell you that the easiest way to take out seats is to buy an angle
grinder and simply shave off all of the bolts, and you'll get the job done in a
few hours. Never being ones to take the easy way out, we didn't do it
that way. Instead I hopped under the bus with a wrench and held the bolts while
John ratcheted the bolts out from above. Now this sounds much neater and
tidier than it really was. First of all, most (if not all) of the bolts and
nuts were in various states of rust and decomposition. Second, we're in Vermont and it is
winter. Now it wasn't really the cold that was so bad, because you can put
blankets and cardboard down and with enough layers, sitting on ice isn't too
bad. It was on Wednesday when we had a thaw that it really sucked. The
tarp that we put under the bus was a series of puddles and lakes. Things
were going smoothly until I had a momentary freak out from being wet, cold and
hungry. John ended up being a sport and grinding many of the bolts off with his
Dremmel. Honestly though, it wasn't that bad, and I did feel pretty tough
being under the bus, and it felt kinda good to get so greasy and grimy, knowing
that we were starting to build our home.

Today has been a little frustrating, too. We are really trying to make good
conscious and conscientious decisions every step along the way through
this project. Now that the seats are out, our main problem is trying to figure
out what to do with them. I have made probably 20 phone calls in the last
hour trying to figure out what we are going to do with the foam that comes from
the inside of the seats. We'd love to be able to recycle them, but so far it's
been really discouraging. No one in this area does foam recycling- although it
is done in other places all around the country for things like carpet
padding. We're pretty determined though. I've found a place in Massachusetts that might
do it, but the guy said that it's not worth my time or effort. Being the
stubborn and idealistic creature that I am, I am going to call him until he
relents and takes our foam. Even if it is inconvienent, and a huge pain in the
butt, at least it is not going to be rotting in a landfill somewhere from now
until eternity. If anyone else has any good ideas- please let me know!
I've already posted offers for free bus seats on Craigslist and FreeCycle, but
I am willing to accept ideas.

 

We have also been trying really hard to stick to our New
Year's resolution to not buy anything from China in 2008. This has
proved to be rather interesting. We had to go to 10 different places
before we could find work gloves. Even the products that come from Vermont or New England companies are being manufactured
in Vermont.
In many cases it wasn't on the product tag, we had to flip the gloves inside out
and toward the very top of pinky finger of the glove was a tiny Made in China
label. Now, we're not trying to be high handed about the whole thing.
I always feel like people think that we’re just being crazy when we tell them
that we are trying to go a whole year not buying Chinese products. I just feel does China must increase their
environmental standards, and the conditions and wages of its workers. After the
pet food scare last year, it really hit me that we need to be much more
conscious of what we are buying, whether we are putting it in or on our bodies
or coming in contact with it in a daily basis. Especially now that our country looks like it
could slide into a serious recession. The
president is encouraging us to go out and buy in order to get ourselves out of
this mess- well, going out and buying Chinese products, while the Chinese are
giving us the money to get out of debt in the first place isn’t going to do us
any good. We need to realize that just because something is cheaper doesn’t
mean it’s necessarily better.

 

Okay, enough of me on my soapbox. If you are at all
interested in ideas like these, and would like to hear them more eloquently put,
go to www.thestoryofstuff.com

 

John has installed a video camera in the bus to
capture the bus' conversion. We should have a live feed up and running
soon so that you can follow our progress. We will also be posting photos
soon! Keep in touch!

 

 

Comments

You know..

you're right,it is truly sad about the Vermont companies and using overseas labor.Many times I've been shocked to see something I believed to be made at home be made abroad.I was at Home Depot today looking at baseboards(I was there to get my shower fixtures...That I thought I bought...Sorry Juli LOL).Made in VT?LOL,yeah ok.Maine maybe?More than half the state is owned by timber companies right?nope.California?Oregon?Washington?

Try Brazil...WTF?We sure have enough trees here.Guess they need something to do with all of the trees they drop clearing the rain forests...Which is funny because you can't buy beef in Price Chopper at a resonable cost unless it comes from South America.And most of it tastes like Juan rode it up the hill to get coffee beans too many times.

Mental note-Buy additional 10 acres to raise beef.

I was going to buy baseboards(From Curtis lumber which is at least a regional local business),but screw that,I'll probably router some pine now.

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Lumber source (local)

Rich-  Have you tried McLeod's in White Hall, NY. They're local and they deliver. Juli uses them for all of her projects and finds that they have a fair price, and better selection even when compaired to the box stores. 

 And if you're going all the way to RutVegas, try LaValley's. They've got a good lumber yard and are really helpful. We're planning on getting our composting toilet there. 

Although it's local I'm not the biggest fan of Curtis. They're not very personable and their prices seem a little high.  But they do get points for being local ;p

Gilmores is

good too.They are probably the most 'local' other than MacLeods.

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hmmm

I've never heard of Gilmores (shows you what a local I am ;P), where is it? I'd love to check them out!

I'm BEYOND sad....

Gilmores is right in Bomoseen.Make a left at Castleton corners and it's on 4A on the left if you're headed west.Can't miss it.Not a big place but big enough.

I used Home Depot because

They have the best selection of tubs shower and sink fixtures and related items.I bought everything in one shot (Or so I thought) because while I'm trying to support our local economy,I'm not trying to break my bank doing it (Hey I'm part of the local economy too right?).So while I bought my big dollar items there,I guess I didn't mention my two or three trips a day to see Wendy.All beit items ranging from 1-20 dollars,it adds up.Sweat fittings,toilet wax ring,pipe,electrical stuff.As for my floor,was there any question as to what to use?Local slate of course.I wish I could use it on the roof when I re do it,but the walls are only 2x4.But working there I could do it entirely for free,with a little work retrimming salvaged broken roof tiles.

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I wasn't trying to criticize

Just trying to help you get a deal- with delivery :)

sista's picture

Which is worse?

Buying "stuff" from China, or burning gas going from store to store to store to store trying to find "stuff" that is not from China?

In your future attempts to cut out China, you may want to start calling the stores to see that they have acceptable products or buy from the internet.

The lady

has an extremely good point...

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My sister or I? I'm gonna assume it's me :) (and don't say the whole making an ass out of u and me thing, I know you want to, but don't.) :p

That would be your sister

But I replied to that after your reply to her.But it's still a good point.

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So it's not like...

we aimlessly drove around looking for non-Chinese gloves.  Whenever we were in a store looking for something else (tools, safety gear etc) we'd look in their glove aisles to see what they had.  Occasionally we'd be going from point A to point B on a mission and there'd be a hardware store in between that we'd stop in specifically for gloves- but generally we had bigger plans in play. 

I definitely do take issue with Big Oil. I don't feel so bad driving around looking for non-Chinese products, because I am definitely a lot more selective about using the car than I've been in the past.  When we lived in Iowa I would get in the car at least 2-3 times per day, almost every day.  But since we've been here that norm has been that we only "go to town" a few times during the week. We've been really trying to shop at the food Co-op and the winter farmer's market in Rutland on Saturdays, which means that we've been a lot more careful about planning what we're going to buy and a lot less running to the store for incidentals and forgot items.  Everything is a  quite drive in general. which means that you try to hit 2 or 3 different places on your list everytime you go out, because otherwise it's a 40 minute drive back if you forget something.  

Another note on the non-China year- it's only March- and if we're laxidasial on our New Year's resolution this early in the game what's the point? 

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Local-motion

Buying on the internet is great! it's convient and you usually save money! But when you actually stop and think about the ramifciations of your purchase, it doesn't pan out so well.

Let's say you spend $10 at your local farmer's market-  $10 goes directly into your local community.  If you spend $10 at a big box store around $2.25 goes back into your local economy and when you buy online virtually no money goes back into your local economy.

It's not suprising that we are experiencing economic crisis in this country.  Everyone looking for the lowest possible shelf price, and not thinking about the bigger picture.  When you buy from a local store you are helping support your community.
John and I were talking a lot about this earlier. Let's say you have $10  you only have two hypothetical stores to choose from Amazon.com and Bob the local bookstore. Both carry a book that you really want on composting toilets, Amazon has it at $6 and Bob has it at $8.  Now in our culture we are programmed to buy the on that costs $6, because that'd but $4 back into your pocket while shopping with Bob would only give you $2.  Common sense, right?  But here's what you're not seeing.  When you buy from Bob, Bob can then get closer to earing a living wage, and can in turn put more money back in to your community. This could allow a local breadmaker to have the funds she needs to keep her business going, providing the community with fresh bread, and support many other businesses owned by real people that you know! It could even come around and support you- which would mean that you are getting back much more than the initial $2 that you would have saved going somewhere else.
PLEASE if you have some time go to www.thestoryofstuff.com  It does a really good job explaining how stuff moves through the supply chain and how there really is a high cost to low prices.  

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Box stores...

So to continue the point- under the same scenerio with the $10- when you buy at a big box store there is only a little more than $2 going back into your community the rest is lining the pockets of the corporate fat cats.  I'm currently reading a book called Affluenza which discusses our obsession with consuming has become a rampant plague in this country.  Tonight I found out something very interesting that I thought I'd share with you.  Most people know, or could intuit that the gap between the very rich and the very poor is quite vast, but I was shocked to find out how vast.  The book sites a Business Week article from 1998 that the average total compensation for CEOs of the 365 largest American companies increased by 36%, to around $10.6 million per CEO while blue-collar labor's received only a 2.7% raise. 
This is why buying locally is SO important. These CEOs do not care about you or your community, while the local guy down the street has a vested interest in your community and will probably be happy to sit down and have a chat with you. If you tried that with the CEO of WALMART he'd probably call security.  

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We hardly ever drive to a

We hardly ever drive to a store just to look for something.  In fact, we don't do the proverbial "go shopping."  But we do like to stop in and check what local independent stores have on the shelf.

In several cases we did call around to different places to see what they had and they were very helpful to tell us that they didn't have anything.  In other cases, a lot of the chain stores have all of their stuff online, but I have yet to find a online chain store that will actually tell you where things were manufactured.  So why would you blindly order things on the internet with no information and have it shipped half-way across the country just to save on your personal usage of gas?  For heavier or bulkier items, you're sometimes better off buying locally made items, using a little gas to pick it up, than the cost of the gas to ship it half-way across the world (on a boat from China), not to mention the cost of manufacturing the cardboard and packing materials which are likely petreolium based.

ok...

This is one of your viewpoints I'm 100% behind.To hell with the Chinese and their crappy wares.However sometimes you just can't get around it..

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china

It's hard all right.  We had to look at 30 differen't stores, probably around 200 work gloves before we found a pair from Vietnam.

Our plan if we didn't find those was to just make our own.  Have Joni knit the liners and sew together an outside out of canvas...

Our web cam was purchased last year before our China ban, but that's from China.  Other things, especially computer or networking things that we can't build ourselves are hard.  Currently we just put in the extra work to try to live without those... 

But sooner or later something is going to break and need replacing.  Then we have to  decide whether to give in, or to live without...

I'm sad

"probably around 200 work gloves before we found a pair from Vietnam."

There was none made in the USofA?At least they would last you longer.

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It's been really eye opening

It's been really eye opening to actually look at
labels.  I guess I knew that most of our stuff came from overseas, but
once you start actively searching out the information, it can become
addictive.  I've been surprised at how many times I've had to put products
back because they were made in China.
Interestingly, my life has not been any worse off without these things.

It is sad that there are so few things left that are made in America. We
live in a global society, but I’m not sure if that is necessarily the best
thing for anyone involved. Sure, we seem to be doing pretty well, since we are
the beneficiaries of the cheap plastic crap manufactured elsewhere- but at what
cost?  People in this country used to be
able to make a living wage making things like hand-crank egg beaters.  Although things were more expensive,
relatively speaking, we were able to buy things that lasted longer and that
provided work and a living wage for people in our communities. 

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Nope, none we could

Nope, none we could find.

There were a lot of "Local" labels, including several from Vermont, but when you get down to it, it is entirely manufactured in China.  They just ship them directly from China to the stores now...  Vermont company label and everything.